Dan and Angi have something to say

Dan & Angi have something to say

Welcome to our site! This is the Lovejoy family blog where we talk about all kinds of stuff. Mostly we talk about minutia and our beautiful son Elijah.

Monday, November 03, 2008

Dan says:

Have you seen “Into Rwanda?”

It’s Dave and Jana Jenkins’ Rwanda blog. You should really take a look!

Posted by Dan Lovejoy on Nov 03, 2008 - 10:45 PM in Minutia
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Wednesday, August 27, 2008

Dan says:


Howdy- I haven’t made the effort to move over to a new blog, but I have been posting to Posterous by e-mail, mostly pictures. It’s super easy!

Check out our posterous at Lovejoy.Posterous.com. Also, remember to follow me (Dan) on Twitter - http://www.twitter.com/danlovejoy.

Posted by Dan Lovejoy on Aug 27, 2008 - 10:25 AM in Minutia
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Tuesday, May 06, 2008

Dan says:


i’m not blogging much, but I am twittering often, and Angi just started. So why not join the conversation? I really need more Twitter friends.

Posted by Dan Lovejoy on May 06, 2008 - 09:01 PM in Minutia
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Saturday, April 26, 2008

Dan says:

At Miss Jeni’s Wedding

Elijah and Veagan
Click for a larger version.

Posted by Dan Lovejoy on Apr 26, 2008 - 10:12 PM in Minutia
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Tuesday, April 08, 2008

Dan says:

Just a swangin’

This is how he rolls. (Or swings, as the case may be) Much lower center of gravity. High center of gravity = too scary. ;-)

Posted by Dan Lovejoy on Apr 08, 2008 - 09:44 PM in Elijah
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Monday, April 07, 2008

Dan says:

How cool are these two?

Angi and Elijah, behooded and sunglass-ed

Posted by Dan Lovejoy on Apr 07, 2008 - 10:28 PM in Elijah Family
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Thursday, March 27, 2008

Dan says:

Look what we made…

A new marketing resource for Realtors and other Real Estate sales professionals.  It’s the brand new Agent Marketing Insider.

Posted by Dan Lovejoy on Mar 27, 2008 - 02:17 PM in Work
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Monday, March 24, 2008

Dan says:

You can’t beat this deal!

Kraft Classic Italian Vinaigrette. 2 for $4. Was $2.08 each
You had better hurry. These will go fast!

Posted by Dan Lovejoy on Mar 24, 2008 - 08:36 PM in Minutia
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Friday, March 21, 2008

Dan says:

Something to say

So, I decided to commemorate the five year anniversary of our blog by forgetting to post for 3 weeks. Sorry, sorry, sorry.

I will endeavor to do better. And if you can’t get enough of my microcontent, you can follow me on Twitter. If you don’t know what that is, you’re in the vast majority. Angi doesn’t have a Twitter, in keeping with her tradition of not being hopelessly geeky.

Hey, check out these


awesomely wrong kanji stencils I found at Hobby Lobby:

Aren’t they fabulous? Sure, a Japanese or Chinese person might recognize the “LOVE” character, but it seems kind of odd, like stenciling the word “LOVE” on things with the “E” backwards. The others are versions of wrong - just written badly, if I can be trusted to interpret. (I can’t. :-) The last one, “eternity” does not mean “eternity” as far as I can tell. I’m not sure what it means, and I’m too lazy to look it up.

Here’s an excellent explanation of the problem with single-character or literal translation tattoos. (or stencils) Even if you get it right, you probably still didn’t get it right.

Posted by Dan Lovejoy on Mar 21, 2008 - 12:32 AM in Minutia
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Monday, February 25, 2008

Dan says:

For the four or five of you who haven’t seen this

Posted by Dan Lovejoy on Feb 25, 2008 - 11:02 PM in Minutia
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Thursday, February 07, 2008

Dan says:

Apostolic Authority, Autonomy, and Hubris

First, by way of disclaimer I have to say that although my blog is hosted on Oklahoma Christian’s servers, I am no longer employed there. I can’t speak for anyone at OC. I am a member at Memorial Road Church of Christ in Oklahoma City. I can’t speak for anyone there either. We are former members of the Quail Springs Church of Christ, which is the target of the ad in question. It’s important to note that the words below are my own opinion. I don’t claim to speak with authority from anyone in these matters.

Today, when I got home from church, I asked Angi for the paper because I wanted to see the full-page ad some of our brothers decided to place there. The ad, which ran on page 6E contains three run-of-the-mill essays on doctrine, and one hateful paragraph targeting Dr. Mark Henderson of the Quail Springs church. Angi had already dumped it in the trash, and some goop had oozed onto it, which seemed appropriate to me.

I wiped off the goop, and was honestly surprised at the ad. I was expecting a concordance-like, text-packed, prooftexted eyesore.  Instead, the ad was cleverly designed and pleasing to the eye. That was the last of my pleasant surprise, because what I found there was quite disturbing.

I’m going to leave aside the doctrinal issues of the instrument here - others have covered this better than I ever could. And I don’t really have a problem with their doctrinal positions, per se. I don’t necessarily agree, but we can all look up the scriptures for ourselves and decide. So in that way, I suppose this argument could be useful. (For my take on the post-modern church, you might read my post “Relevance” from July 8 of last year.)

What disturbs me about this ad is the hubris with which these brothers write in the sub-section “Oklahoma churches rise up, Henderson marked.” This is the only section that is unsigned, so we are to assume that all of the churches speak with one voice, “marking” Mark Henderson. They also post a picture of him, I suppose for the church police and/or theological bounty hunters.

But they don’t have authority to speak for me, and they certainly don’t have authority to speak for the congregation I attend. (the largest in OK and second largest in the US) And instead of naming the congregations and individuals that paid for the ad, they bunch us all together as if they have the authority to speak for “area churches of Christ” or “congregations all across Oklahoma and Texas.” They certainly don’t have that authority.

What bothers me even more is the apostolic authority they seem to take. The “mark and avoid” scripture they use from Romans 16: goes like this (KJV, since they seem to prefer it)

Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.

Now - there are two questions with regard to this verse: First: Is Paul conferring authority on church members or is he providing instruction for personal behavior within the local congregation? Second: If it does convey authority - does this verse convey authority on any Christian to mark any other Christian in any other congregation?

Clearly Paul is referring to congregational disputes here - the chapter is a collection of greetings, blessings, and instructions to individual members of the local church and to the congregation. There is no instruction here about the church as a whole - how we should behave toward those in other congregations who are errant - or who we think are errant. Furthermore, there is no command to “mark someone as a false teacher” as the ad suggests. Rather, the standard for calling someone a “false teacher” is much higher and furthermore, is completely absent in Romans 16.

Second, and most important - this verse does not convey apostolic authority. In fact, the Churches of Christ, as a whole, do not recognize modern day apostolic authority because we find no authorization for such authority outside of the local congregation. Each congregation is autonomous. No congregation has authority over another. That includes authority to “mark” others with whom we disagree.

So, to sum up. What did they do wrong? It’s all about authority:
1.) Instead of approaching Dr. Henderson or the elders of the church directly, in humility, which IS commanded and patterned in scripture, these men take on the apostolic authority which they are not authorized to wield, spending $12,000 to air their disagreement in public.
2.) They take one verse out of context, Romans 16:17 and add “false teacher” to it - words with specific parameters which are NOT found in this scripture. They take instructions for personal behavior within congregations and apply it universally to all Christians - giving us all blanket authority to “mark” anyone with whom we disagree. 
3.) They claim the earthly authority of elderships “across Oklahoma and Texas” or “area churches of Christ” letting readers assume a MUCH broader base of support than they actually have. They don’t sign this “marking” from an eldership - an actual spiritual authority. They don’t even have the guts to sign their names to it. So with what authority do they speak? That’s right: none.

What a stunning display of hubris!

For a much more useful discussion of this topic from the conservative side, one might read Dr. Glover Shipp’s letter to the Oklahoman, which Gospel News has reprinted. You’ll note that Dr. Shipp doesn’t claim authority that is not his, though he IS actually an elder in one of our great churches. (I must add here that I love Glover and Margie Shipp -as does everyone who knows them.)

Posted by Dan Lovejoy on Feb 07, 2008 - 01:41 AM in Bloviations
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Tuesday, January 15, 2008

Dan says:

Tony Alley

My good friend, Dr. Tony Alley died today after a long battle with the worst kind of brain cancer. I will post some memories later this week, but I just can’t do it right now. For now, I’d encourage you to watch his amazing video.

Posted by Dan Lovejoy on Jan 15, 2008 - 11:53 PM in Friends
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